FAQ: Don’t women have “female privilege”?

2008 February 9
by tekanji

Short answer: No, what is commonly called “female privilege” is better described as benevolent sexism. Systems like the draft and chivalry often seem advantageous to women at first glance, but when examined more closely they in fact reinforce sexist institutions that keep both women and men from true equality. Also, it should be noted that, while men have what’s called male privilege that doesn’t mean that there must logically be a “female privilege” counterpart. This is because, although many strides towards equality have been made over the years, women as a class have not yet leveled the playing field, much less been put in a position of power and authority equivalent to that which grants institutional power to men as a class.

Why “female privilege” is better called “benevolent sexism”

Quick jump: Why It’s Benevolent Sexism | Male Privilege’s Counterpart

While feminists do agree that the practices that are commonly ascribed to “female privilege” (such as women being the recipients of chivalric practices) are expressions of inequality, they disagree that such practices should be considered a form of institutionalized privilege. This is because being rewarded for not going against the status quo and being the recipient of institutional privilege are not the same thing. The system of privilege uses that kind of reward system in order to perpetuate itself, but the existence of a reward isn’t proof in of itself of privilege. Instead, they use the term benevolent sexism to describe the practices because of how they are tied to the greater narrative of sexism in traditions/the status quo.

Consider this:

Not only is it subjectively favorable in its characterization of women, but it promises that men’s power will be used to women’s advantage, if only they can secure a high-status male protector.

[Glick and Fiske (February 2001).]

Without any context it could easily be seen as talking about “female privilege”, but in fact it’s an explanation of why benevolent sexism is so easily accepted by women. Now, if this were the only factor at work, then saying that “female privilege” is better called benevolent sexism would be splitting hairs. But the reason that benevolent sexism works and “female privilege” does not is because it better identifies the system behind the beliefs.

To understand why the term “female privilege” obscures the root of the problem, it’s first necessary to distinguish the difference between the concepts that make it up and those that make up male privilege. For the most part, women do gain some benefits from the chivalric beliefs that are often chalked up to “female privilege”, just like men gain some benefits from the system of male privilege. However, the difference is that the status quo for men is one which grants them status and power in both the public and private spheres, whereas the status quo for women is one which limits their power to the much smaller, and more specific, domestic sphere.

Put another way:

Eagly and Mladinic (1993) pointed out that the favorable, communal traits ascribed to women (e.g., nurturing, helpful, and warm) suit them for domestic roles, whereas men are presumed to possess the traits associated with competence at high-status roles (e.g., independent, ambitious, and competitive). Furthermore, women’s stereotypically communal attributes are also the traits of deference that, when enacted in daily interaction, place a person in a subordinate, less powerful position (Ridgeway, 1992). Thus, the favorable traits attributed to women may reinforce women’s lower status.

[Glick and Fiske (February 2001).]

If we recognize this difference and allow the problematic practices to be combated within the framework of sexism, it becomes part of a greater discourse of eliminating sexist beliefs and practices from our cultural landscape. And there is actually evidence that shows that this approach is effective, as there seems to be a direct relationship between the reduction of hostile sexism and the reduction of women’s belief in and use of benevolent sexism:

Another explanation for women’s acceptance of benevolent sexism is that it is a form of self-protection in response to men’s sexism. Smuts (1996) argued that pair-bonding among humans is, in part, an evolved female response to the threat of sexual violence (because a pair-bonded male mate offers protection from other men). In a similar manner, endorsing benevolent sexism may be a way in which women cope when many men in a culture tend to be hostile sexists (cf. Jackman, 1994). The irony is that women are forced to seek protection from members of the very group that threatens them, and the greater the threat, the stronger the incentive to accept benevolent sexism’s protective ideology. This explains the tendency for women in the most sexist societies to endorse benevolent sexism more strongly than men. Furthermore, the countries in which women (as compared with men) rejected benevolent sexism as strongly as hostile sexism were ones in which men had low hostile sexism scores. As sexist hostility declines, women may feel able to reject benevolent sexism without fear of a hostile backlash.

[Peter Glick, Susan Fiske (American Psychologist Volume 56(2), February 2001, p 109–118): "An Ambivalent Alliance: Hostile and Benevolent Sexism as Complementary Justifications for Gender Inequality".]

Said in a more accessible way:

See, I think that some of the problems that men face now- some of the things that people like Burton complain about and see as examples of female privilege over males- are a direct result of the flaws a patriarchical system. It’s not that women have more power than men, it’s that patriarchy is an inherently flawed system that sets standards that are harmful to everyone. It’s a double edged sword. And as attitudes have changed and feminists have helped to break down some of the systems that have held women back and prevented them from reaching their full potential, some men are finding that, shock of shocks, there are some serious problems with the way things are.

To summarize the point of this section: When it’s called benevolent sexism it’s recognized to be tied to the system of sexism, and can therefore be fought (successfully) with tools like feminism, whereas when it’s called “female privilege” the solutions called for tend to call for strengthening the status quo, which ends up making it harder to end the offending practices.

Male privilege’s counterpart

Quick jump: Why It’s Benevolent Sexism | Male Privilege’s Counterpart

I’ve seen the argument floated around that if there’s such thing as “male privilege” that there must therefore be an equivalent of “female privilege”. While I can understand why someone could come to this conclusion if their main reference for “privilege” was one of the privilege checklists, this is actually a misunderstanding of male privilege, which is an institutional — not a personal — privilege.

The tendency of most people is to think of “privilege” in terms of its common usage, which is an individual advantage that a person can earn and possess. But the problem is that male privilege isn’t that kind of privilege; it’s a kind of privilege that is systematic, rather than something that an individual has control over. This system is part of things such as history, culture, and tradition and is one of the ways that power in kept mostly the hands of those who already have it (what’s called the privileged group). This is achieved primarily through denying certain privileges to most people outside of that privileged group. It’s different than the common usage because it’s specifically backed up by institutional authority and, beyond the impact it has on individual people, it is also an important tool for maintaining the various hierarchies that make up the patriarchy.

When one is working within a hierarchy, the logical counterpart to people with power becomes people without power. So, the correct counterpart to “male privilege” would actually “female non-privilege”. Granted, it sounds more than a bit silly being said like that (which is probably why I’ve never heard anyone use it), but the concept that it expresses is that of in-group/out-group dynamics. Or, as it is put most commonly, the counterparts to privileged groups are that of the non-privileged groups.

To summarize the point of this section: Since the concept of privilege inherent in the term “male privilege” expresses a hierarchy (ie. an in-group/out-group dynamic), the placement of men in the in-group (because of the power that their class holds) necessitates placing women and other non-men in an out-group (because of the lack of power). Thus, “female privilege” doesn’t work as a counterpart to “male privilege” because it doesn’t fit into that dynamic.

Related Reading:

Introductory:

Clarifying Concepts:

  • On why benevolent sexism can be mistaken for a privileging of women:

    A central part of our argument is that benevolent sexism is a particularly insidious form of prejudice for two reasons: (a) It does not seem like a prejudice to male perpetrators (because it is not experienced as an antipathy), and (b) women may find its sweet allure difficult to resist. Benevolent sexism, after all, has its rewards; chivalrous men are willing to sacrifice their own well-being to provide for and to protect women.

    [Peter Glick, Susan Fiske (American Psychologist Volume 56(2), February 2001, p 109–118): "An Ambivalent Alliance: Hostile and Benevolent Sexism as Complementary Justifications for Gender Inequality".]
  • On why “female privilege” isn’t an advantage after all:

    UCLA, the thing is what you call “benevolent sexism” (I have to say it really sounds like an oxymoron), is always accompanied by what you call “hostile sexism” in every society out there. They are often times intertwined, as one can be framed in a way that appears like the other. For example Justice Kennedy wants to “benevolently” protect us from having to face the consequence of our own decisions regarding our own bodies. There are men (and women) out there that would argue that women not being allowed in certain jobs (or all jobs), is a privilege for women: they don’t have to go out in the world and fight. They can just stay at home and bake cookies. Now isn’t that a privilege? I have heard Islamist scholars and non-scholars argue that Hijab is actually for the protection of women. There are many more examples, but hopefully you got my point already.

    It is just bizarre to call these instances of sexism female privilege. It’s more like, if we’re good slaves of the patriarchy you’ll throw us a bone every once in a while (also known as chivalry).

    [Comment by sojourner (Feministing): It doesn't get worse than this..]
  • More on why “female privilege” isn’t an advantage after all:

    Think of it this way, aleric: it can’t be female privilge when females did not establish the rules from which they supposedly benefitted. Looking at the Vietnam war era, women held little political or social power compared to men – especially as far as the military was concerned. While I would say that not being included in the draft is a benefit (who wouldn’t want to avoid being forced to risk their life when they were not willing to do so voluntarily), I wouldn’t go so far as to call it an example of female privilige because the reasons women were excluded based in sexism. Not only were women considered too weak, too emotional, and too incompetent to serve, but excluding women from service made it much easier to limit women’s rights in other areas.

46 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 February 17

    Finally I don’t understand sometimes why MRAs and feminists aren’t working together.

    On the off chance that you’re not being deliberately ironic, I suggest you look a bit deeper into what most MRA sites say about women in general, and especially what they say about feminists. You appear to have missed quite a bit.

  2. 2009 April 16
    kandela permalink

    Hi Beppi, I thought it might interest you to know that medals/honours were awarded to mothers in the Soviet Union. The highest award being that of ‘Mother Heroine.’

    “This decoration was awarded to all mothers bearing and raising 10 or more children. It was awarded upon the first birthday of the last child, provided that nine other children (natural or adopted) remained alive. Children who had perished under heroic, military or other respectful circumstances were also counted.” — Wikipedia

    Apparently around 500,000 of these medals were awarded (one to a male, who presumably adopted). There were also ‘Order of Maternal Glory’ medals 1st Class (9 children), 2nd Class (8), 3rd Class (7) and the ‘Motherhood Medal’ 1st Class (6 children) and 2nd Class (5).

    Note: I’m not trying to make any point by posting this particular information. I don’t currently have an opinion on whether medals of this type are a good idea or not (I need to think about it more, maybe do some reading). Actually I would be interested in your opinion. I just thought you might find the information useful or interesting.

  3. 2009 June 19
    Ben permalink

    On the off chance that you’re not being deliberately ironic, I suggest you look a bit deeper into what most feminist sites say about men in general, and especially what they say about MRAs. You appear to have missed quite a bit.

  4. 2009 June 20
    eibhear permalink

    To Bink,
    MRA’s aren’t, in my experience, concerned about equal rights at all; they’re only concerned with taking long fought-for rights away from women. I suggest you try reading some of their blogs. Their visceral and unreasoning misogyny is truly terrifying.

  5. 2009 June 22
    Kandela permalink

    I see a lot of talk of men as individuals being disadvantaged under certain circumstances but the consensus seems to be that men as a group are never disadvantaged. I think this analysis is simplistic. To be more precise, I think spitting people into men and women is too simplistic and that we should really be thinking about aspects of this issue in terms of a kyriarchy rather than a patriarchy.

    Specifically, I think fathers have a valid complaint. We are all aware that the patriarchy does not look favourably upon fathers who want to spend more time with their children (be it as stay at home fathers, equal parents after a divorce, or just as parents in general). women are preferred as parents and this preference is institutionalised.

    Women in general are disadvantaged by this position, because they are stereotyped as default parents their advance in business and politics is (wrongly) impaired. Non-family-centred men who seek power are privileged as a result, and because they are, men in general achieve positions of power. But there is also a disadvantage to men here. Studies have shown that men are more susceptible to mental illness later in life because they don’t form close personal relationships other than with their wives. A disconnection from family leads to health issues and general unhappiness.

    This disadvantage I have just spoken of is greater for these family centred men. We need to consider these men as a separate group. They have collective concerns – they are more than individuals. The problem is that men who seek additional time with children aren’t the ones in power. Mostly they are young men. Generally they are not the men who are the most career driven yet they are being held to those values by the men who are in power. Additionally, the forces of the patriarchy are drawn on to employ men and women to expect men to be the career driven type, being both career driven and family orientated isn’t considered an option – men aren’t taught that they can have it all. So, these men are the victims of institutionalised sexism.

    Traditionally, you wouldn’t call this an example of female privilege. Despite the fact that home life has been the woman’s ’sphere of influence,’ this role has been a compensatory mechanism – a benevolent sexism – for women. Now, however, things are beginning to change, mainly through the work of feminism. Improved access to day-care, increased part-time work opportunities and increased maternity leave, plus changing attitudes, have lead to a recognition that women can balance a family and a career. Men are not in an equivalent position. Being able to have a career and a significant role in family life is an advantage. Maybe it could also be called a privilege.

    For me a feminist ally is just a feminist who isn’t directly disadvantaged by the topical issue. Most of the time the men in feminism are allies, but on this issue they are the feminists and the women need to be the allies.

    It seems to me that not all feminist women know how to be good allies. Often this issue is bought up MRAs are mentioned. This has the result of getting most feminists off side and they don’t support their male colleagues. As a result some fathers engage with the MRAs instead, despite not agreeing with much of what they say, because they feel they are their only strong advocates. Male feminists need more support from feminism as a whole in this area. I think instead of only pointing out that many aspects of MRA positions are anti-feminist it would be more constructive to simply say, “We don’t agree with MRAs most of the time and that makes co-operation difficult,” but then go on to support the position of fathers, vocally support those issues you do agree with. This would be much more constructive.

    A more equal share of family duties is desirable for women and men. It’s impossible for only women to have equality in this area. This is a feminist issue and deserves support when it comes up. Please, we (family men and those who want to be in the future) need your help and support.

  6. 2009 June 22

    I think instead of only pointing out that many aspects of MRA positions are anti-feminist it would be more constructive to simply say, “We don’t agree with MRAs most of the time and that makes co-operation difficult,” but then go on to support the position of fathers, vocally support those issues you do agree with. This would be much more constructive.

    This is a very good point. Balancing family and career needs to happen for men as well as women, and we won’t have any chance at true gender egalitarianism until it does.

  7. 2009 June 24
    Hugh permalink

    I’ve heard a few times people talk about having a place to discuss masculinity and maleness and the problems particulary facing men, kinda analagously to feminism. This sounds like what you’re looking for here – it’d give a place to bring up specific issues like parenting, as well as more general issues like the expectation that men should be less interested in their children.
    And this sounds to me like a pretty great idea, there don’t seem to be many opportunities going to actually discuss masculinity, what it means, how it can be relevant, how social expectations push us to behave, that kind of thing. And I think it’d be good too to stop seeing ‘male’ as just the default non-gender and talk positively about it.
    But it seems like it’s only ever talked about hypothetically. So, does anyone know of anything like this? I had a look and found one or two good websites with essays on the subject, but nothing really discussion-based. If not, would people be interested in starting one? I’d be happy to do the basic setting up if there are people keen to join this kind of discussion?

    (and yep, I realise I just wrote a post on a feminist blog entirely about men – hope this is on-topic enough to be legitimate?)

  8. 2009 June 26
    Stevie permalink

    This whole page seems to be an attempt to redefine ‘female privilege’ as ‘benevolent sexism’. It’s not, and the suggestion that women have no power whatsoever in society that hasn’t been given to them by men actually infantilises women and undermines any attempt at rectifying any subsequent inequalities.

    Of course female privilege exists. Male priviliege has nothing to do with men “as a class”. Male privilege is a list of advantages men have in society because of their gender. Conversely, female privilege is a list of advantages women have because of their gender.

    e.g. If I apply for a job in a field such providing care for another, as a woman I am more likely than an equally qualified man to to get that job.

    e.g. As a woman there is more help available to me if I am discriminated against because of my gender.

    e.g. As a woman my life is seen as having a greater value than that of a man’s.

    The thing is. These lists serve no purpose whatsoever other than to perpetuate gender stereotypical behaviour. They’re useful in a way – to identify various double standards in society- but unfortunately that’s not how they’re used. They’re used to deliberately divide the genders when we should be trying to show people (particularly young people) that they can do whatever the other gender can do (biological exceptions aside).

  9. 2009 June 27
    Kandela permalink

    Hugh, I think that’s a good idea. I would suggest that if you set-up such a site you make it clear that discussions are to take place in a pro-feminist context in order to distinguish your site from MRAs etc.

  10. 2009 July 31
    Alek permalink

    Two points:

    1) I’m fine with accepting the idea that female privileges are really “benevolant sexism” in disguise…

    But, and only if… I saw feminist organizations organizing campaigns to educate women to refuse “benevolent sexism”.

    Where are the campaigns teaching women to refuse benevolent sexism. Where are the campaigns teaching women to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for those areas and refuse being given advantages because they’re the “weaker sex”. Where are the campaigns teaching women not act as the weaker sex? Right now I see women who say “hear me roar, I am strong” in areas that were classically male privileged… But when they go in the areas where women were always privileged they go “oh, I’m a weak little girl, won’t you protect me, wine me, dine me, and treat me like a little girl?”

    If there was an equal amount of campaigns teaching women to throw away their privileges as there were campaigns encouraging them to gaining men’s privileges, I’d believe you. Right now, I’m suspicious.

    2) Ever occured to you that men’s “privileges” are also benevolent sexism?

    Most of these are leftovers from a lot more primitive societies which were very specialized in their roles (not just gender roles, but generally in roles assigned to people). The roles didn’t allow much flexibility.

    Did it ever occur to you that some of these thing that you claim to be “privileges” for men are also burdens for the men who do not want them?

    Just like a woman can consider chivalry to be benevolent sexism and a burden that she be expected to be a “lady” when she doesn’t like it. Its an equal burden for a man to be expected to become strong, powerful and successful. Most men who don’t like the role, end up commiting suicide. When boys learn their gender role (what you call privilege) the suicide rate increases 15,000%… They obviously can’t stand all the privilege :)

    Male roles are also benevolent sexism.

    The point is that gender-roles as such are bad because they define who you should be based on your genitalia. Gender roles ignore that you as an individual, have individual goals, motivation and aspirations in life.

    The problem is when someone comes in with this hypocritical view that gender roles damage only one gender… thereby furthering the discrimination they think they are solving.

    You refer to the male role as “privilege” and the female role as “benevolent sexism”, what proof more do you need that you’re not being equal?

  11. 2009 August 18
    AfroBitch permalink

    Here is stupid checklist that some misogynist put together to claim that female privilege exists. It’s called the “Female Privilege Checklist”. [link]

    [moderator note: link edited to point to a google-cache - no link-juice for misogynists from here]

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